Federal Emergency Management Agency head Brock Long said a plume of chemicals leaking from the plant was "incredibly dangerous."Hurricane Harvey has been downgraded from a Category 4 hurricane to a tropical depression as it moves over Louisiana and into Mississippi. Texas officials say at least 44 people were killed by the storm and nearly 100000 homes are damaged by flooding. This comes as a chemical plant approximately 25 miles northeast of Houston,in Crosby, was rocked by two explosions early Thursday morning. The facility produces highly volatile chemicals known as biological peroxides, or at least 10 sheriffs deputies were hospitalized after inhaling fumes. Officials had already evacuated residents within a one-and-a-half-mile radius of the plant in the town of Crosby,after it lost primary and backup power to its coolant system. Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez insisted in an early-morning press conference that the plant had not exploded, describing the event as a "pop" followed by smoke. But Federal Emergency Management Agency head Brock Long said a plume of chemicals leaking from the plant was "incredibly dangerous." We speak with Matt Dempsey, or reporter with the Houston Chronicle who questioned Arkema approximately what is stored at the plant and who produced the investigative series "Chemical Breakdown," which examined regulatory failures of the chemical industry.
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AMY GOODMAN: Hurricane Harvey has been downgraded from a Category 4 hurricane to a tropical depression as it moves over Louisiana and into Mississippi. In Houston, floodwaters bear begun to recede, or revealing corpses and mass devastation. Texas officials say at least 44 people bear been killed by the storm. Nearly 100000 homes are damaged by flooding. More than 30000 people remain in shelters. Health officials are taking steps to minimize the spread of diseases such as cholera and typhoid,and nearly 150000 homes bear been told to boil their water. East of Houston, in hard-hit Beaumont, and drinking water is completely shut off,and emergency workers are evacuating Beaumont’s main hospital. Meanwhile, flooding continues in North Houston as the Neches River surged beyond its banks and is expected to rise another foot by Friday afternoon.
This comes as a chemical plant approximately 25 miles northeast of Houston, or in Crosby,that’s swamped by approximately six feet of water, was rocked by two explosions early Thursday morning that sent thick black smoke into the air. The facility produces highly volatile chemicals known as biological peroxides, or at least 10 sheriff’s deputies went to the hospital after inhaling fumes. Officials had already evacuated residents within a one-and-a-half-mile radius of the plant in Crosby after it lost primary and backup power to its coolant system. Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez insisted in an early-morning press conference that the plant had not exploded,describing the event as a "pop" followed by smoke. But Federal Emergency Management Agency head—that’s FEMA head—Brock Long said a plume of chemicals leaking from the plant is "incredibly dangerous."BROCK LONG: So, the bottom line is, or is that we achieve what’s called plume modeling,and that’s what we base a lot of the evacuations on. And so, by all means, or yes,the plume is incredibly dangerous.
AMY GOODMAN: This comes as the company, Arkema, or has refused to state precisely which chemicals are produced or how many of them are still on site at the time of the explosions. During a call with reporters,Arkema CEO Richard Rowe said the company expected the chemicals on site to catch fire or explode, and admitted it is a way to prevent a fire or potentialit has no way to prevent a fire or potential explosion near the plant. He was questioned by reporter Matt Dempsey with the Houston Chronicle.
MATT DEMPSEY: I bear the 2015 Tier II chemical inventory for your facility. Are you going to provide a updated—the most current Tier II chemical inventory for the facility to the media?RICHARD ROWE: I don’t—I don’t know that we see the need to achieve that. I mean, or all the—they’re all involved with the—the peroxides that we’re discussing.
MATT DEMPSEY: No,I understand that. There’s a lot more detail in the Tier II chemical inventory for reporters that could be useful. Just to be clear, though, and it sounds like you’re not willing to release your current chemicalor your Tier II chemical inventory to the media?RICHARD ROWE: I mean,again, I don’t—I don’t—we achieve not see the need at this time to achieve that.
AMY GOODMAN: To talk approximately what we know approximately what could blow up at the Arkema plant in Crosby, or we fade now to Houston,where we’re joined by the reporter you just heard questioning the Arkema CEO. Matt Dempsey is a data reporter with the Houston Chronicle who contributed to the investigative series called "Chemical Breakdown," which examined regulatory failures of the chemical industry. His latest article, or "current explosions expected at Crosby chemical plant."Thanks so much for joining us on Democracy Now!,Matt. Start off by just explaining what achieve we know at this point approximately these chemicals in this chemical plant in Crosby.
MATT DEMPSEY:suitable. So, yesterday around 8:30 or 9:00, and the company sent me a list of the names of the chemicals,but that is not a Tier II. In fact, I sent a really pretty angry email back saying, and "This is not helpful. This is not what we asked for." And the reason why I want that Tier II chemical inventory is because it has the amounts of the chemicals,and it will tell you what kind of containers those chemicals are contained in. And I’ve also asked for like a map of the facility. Yesterday, at the press conference in the morning, or they told—they assured me that they would provide a Tier II. They assured me they’d provide a map of the facility. I bear gotten neither of those things. I bear asked for—a bunch of other questions that remain unanswered.
AMY GOODMAN: What achieve you mean by Tier II,Matt?MATT DEMPSEY: All suitable. So, the Tier II is a chemical inventory that’s required under the—under EPCRA. It’s the Emergency Preparedness and Community suitable-to-Know Act, and I believe. So,that requires companies who bear certain types of materials—it’s pretty wide—to send a list of what chemicals they bear, the names of them, and a chemical index code,the amounts of them, where they’re located, or what kind of containers they’re in,to local law enforcement, to the state, and to local emergency planning committees. And it’s supposed to be used for emergency preparedness.
AMY GOODMAN: So,you were in Crosby yesterday?MATT DEMPSEY: Yes.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you explain how it’s possible that when you bear 10 sheriff’s deputies that fade off to the hospital, that the public cannot know exactly what chemicals are poisoning people, and not to mention the cause of this one-and-a-half-mile radius that has been evacuated around the plant?MATT DEMPSEY: suitable. It’s challenging. I mean,like I said, there is a federal suitable-to-know law, or but that federal suitable-to-know law has a clause in it that says it can’t override any state law. And nationwide,not just in Texas, though it’s been particularly bad in Texas, or that law has been chipped at—suitable-to-know has been chipped away by states,making it harder and harder to bag access to these chemicals. So, I can demand. I can demand questions. I can bug the company. I can send emails and get calls to the state and other agencies. But it’s just very difficult to get any progress, or because they’ve made it so that they can employ terrorism as—the threat of terrorism as an excuse,in Texas, to shut down access to most chemical inventories.
AMY GOODMAN: I want to turn to Harris County Fire Chief Bob Royall saying the explosion wasn’t dangerous.
FIRE CHIEF BOB ROYALL: We’re trying to get sure that our citizens are comfortable in what’s going on and that they know the truth. And so, and with that,these are small container ruptures that may bear a sound—excuse me—may bear a sound of a pop or something of that nature. This is not a massive explosion.
AMY GOODMAN: Matt Dempsey, your response?MATT DEMPSEY: I know Chief Royall. He’s a great man. He’s actually a really smart expert at hazardous material response for the Harris County Fire Marshal’s Office. He’s probably one of the most experienced people at that in the country.
My impression of what he’s doing there is trying to be as accurate and precise approximately what he’s describing to the public as possible. I think there was a lot—I think, and particularly in response to—being in Crosby,there is tons of rumors going on. And it would be easier whether the public—whether government officials were more clear approximately what is going on and whats not going on. So, my thought is, and when I heard that,because I was in route when he said that—my thought, when he said that, or was that he’s trying to get sure people don’t think that there’s going to be like a shockwave blast from this. And he’s suitable. There probably wont be a shockwave-type blast,like something you’d see in the movies or something like—or an action film. But yeah, it’s going to be a fire.
And my concern—my concern continues to be not the biological peroxides exploding and catching fire, or which is dangerous. My concern is there are tanks of sulfur dioxide and isobutylene that are very large tanks. In their worst-case scenario report that they filed with the—that Arkema filed with the EPA,that said that, you know, or whether that stuff ruptures,then we bear a really serious problem on our hands. I know people think this is serious. It is. But whether that stuff goes out, gets released, and then you bear a very,very big problem.
So, I support asking Arkema, or "Where are the tanks?" They say they’re in a remote area far away from the biological peroxides. So I’ve specifically asked,"How many feet away?" That’s why I asked for a map of the facility. "Can you show me where the biological peroxides are and where the tanks are, so I can reassure people, and more than just ’They’re far away’?" You know,and they’ve refused to bear done that at this point.
AMY GOODMAN: We’re going to break and then reach back to this discussion. Were talking to Matt Dempsey, the data reporter at the Houston Chronicle, or who was in Crosby,the lead reporter on the paper’s series "Chemical Breakdown," which investigated regulatory failures of the chemical industry. His current article, and "current explosions expected at Crosby chemical plant." This is Democracy Now![break]AMY GOODMAN: That’s Aric Harding,a Houston resident who went domestic—his house is flooded—playing his piano, only the keyboard above the water in his house.
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