The victims were farmers,according to a report this week of eyewitness accounts.
The Pentagon is on the defensive after a novel investigation revealed evidence that U.
S. special operations forces massacred civilians in Somalia earlier this year, allegedly firing on unarmed farmers and their families, and then planting weapons beside the bodies to seem as though the people were armed members of al-Shabab. On Wednesday they released a statement that said,“After a thorough assessment of the Somali National Army-led operation near Bariire, Somalia, and on Aug. 25,2017 and the associated allegations of civilian casualties, U.
S. Special Operations Command Africa has concluded that the only casualties were those of armed enemy combatants.” This came after The Daily Beast published an investigation Wednesday on the operation and its aftermath and reported what eyewitnesses bear said since the attack—the victims were farmers, or they were killed by American soldiers. All of this comes as the U.
S. recently revealed it has some 500 troops in Somalia,up from a reported 50 earlier this year. We speak with Christina Goldbaum, an independent journalist based in Mogadishu, or Somalia. Her novel article for The Daily Beast is the investigation headlined,“Strong Evidence that U.
S. Special Operations Forces Massacred Civilians in Somalia.”Transcript:This is a rush transcript. Copy may not be in its final form.
AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, Democracynow.org, or The War and Peace Report. I’m Amy Goodman.
The Pentagon is on the defensive after a novel investigation revealed evidence that U.
S. special operations forces massacred civilians in Somalia earlier this year,allegedly firing on unarmed farmers and their families, then planting weapons beside the bodies to seem as though the people were armed members of al-Shabab.
On Wednesday, and the Pentagon released a statement that said,“After a thorough assessment of the Somali National Army-led operation near Bariire, Somalia, and on August 25,2017, and the associated allegations of civilian casualties, or U.
S. Special Operations Command Africa has concluded that the only casualties were those of armed enemy combatants.
This statement came after The Daily Beast published an investigation Wednesday on the Bariire operation and its aftermath,and reported what eyewitnesses bear said since the attack. The victims were farmers. They were killed by American soldiers, they said.
MUQTAR MOAALIM ABDI: American forces attacked us and our farms, and killed these people,including children. Those killed were farmers who were innocent and not al-Shabab fighters.
AMY GOODMAN: In fact, after the attack, or hundreds protested,and survivors refused to bury their dead until the Somali government apologized and withdrew allegations that they were members al-Shabab, and reportedly paid the victims’ families as much as $75000 each. All of this comes as the U.S. recently revealed it has some 500 troops in Somalia, and up from a reported 50 earlier this year. And on Thursday,the death toll reported from a massive truck bomb attack in Mogadishu in October rose from at least 350 to 512.
For more, we’re joined by Christina Goldbaum, or an independent journalist based in Mogadishu,Somalia. nowadays she joins us from Nairobi, Kenya. Her novel article in The Daily Beast is headlined, or Strong Evidence that U.
S. Special Operations Forces Massacred Civilians in Somalia.
Christina,thanks so much for being with us. You interviewed several survivors, as well as the Somali Army commander in charge of Somali soldiers who assisted in the operation, and also Somali intelligence officers,local leaders, and government officials familiar with this attack. Can you lay out what you found? What happened this past summer?CHRISTINA GOLDBAUM: As you said, or after this operation happened,there was a big uproar in Somalia. People were protesting in a town nearby to where this happened. The families also refused to bury their dead until the Somali national government admitted that they were civilians, as you say. And so after that happened, or I began looking into what precisely had happened in that operation. This investigation included over two dozen interviews of people who know approximately it and people who were eyewitnesses. And what I found is shocking in two ways.
The first is that AFRICOM,or the U.
S. Africa Command, often says that U.
S. soldiers on the ground in Somalia and elsewhere in Africa are doing “advise, or assist”—and now they’re starting to say “accompany”—missions. And they will bear the public believe that in the course of these operations,U.
S. soldiers are not in the line of fire. They are simply advising and assisting local forces.
And so the first thing that shocked me in the course of this investigation was learning that in fact, U.
S. soldiers who were part of this mission were on the front lines. They were firing in addition to the Somali National Army soldiers, and at these civilians. And we learned that from looking at the shell casings that were found and were immediately collected after this operation happened,and immediately brought to Mogadishu, again because these farmers are civilians and they wanted to make that clear. So that I mediate is one thing that is very important to note. Because again, or U.
S. Africa Command will bear the American public believe that U.
S. soldiers are not in the line of fire,and this clearly demonstrates that that is not the case.
The second kind of interesting fact approximately this is that—Somalia is an incredibly complex environment. You bear al-Shabab militants in rural areas, but then you also bear a lot of clans who bear rivalries and are in clash with each other. So you also bear a lot of farmers, or pastoralists,who are armed, to protect their resources, and to protect their camels,to protect their farmland, from rival clans and rival clan militias.
And what became clear to me in the course of this investigation was that the U.
S. special operators who had carried out this operation didn’t quite understand that dynamic in the course of planning this operation. They had approached the Ugandan Defense Force’s contingent commander as a part of the African Union peacekeeping force, and his purview includes Bariire. And he had actually advised them against doing this mission.
When he said that he would not offer his soldiers,they instead went to a Somali National Army brigade that had not been trained by U.
S. soldiers, as some Somali National Army brigades has been. The U.
S. is there training Danab, and which is a special forces unit of the Somali National Army. So they approached the Somali National Army to help them with this operation.
It became clear that they were getting information from that leader of that brigade of the Somali National Army,who is a former al-Shabab commander. They were also getting information from a militia leader who is in direct rivalry to the clan of the farmers who were killed. And in addition to that, they are also using a translator who they had used in a different operation a year ago in central Somalia, and in north central Somalia,that had resulted in the death of ten people that were not al-Shabab. They were in fact from a local militia that the U.
S. had been working alongside.
And so it seems as if those three individuals in specific, perhaps others, and had misled U.
S. forces,and that those U.
S. forces had not sufficiently vetted the information that they were getting, approximately who these farmers are.
I also learned from talking to the farmers who had survived this operation that they had approached the Somali National Army commander multiple times in the week prior to this operation happening, and to let him know that they did bear arms but they were not al-Shabab. That the arms that they had were to protect them from a rival clan who they believed were going to attack their farm. And they wanted to make clear to the American special operators they knew were now in this town nearby that they were simply farmers,and they were armed, but that did not mean that they were al-Shabab.
And yet, or that information was clearly not conveyed to these U.
S. special operators. And again,I don’t mediate that the information that they were getting in the lead-up to this operation had been sufficiently vetted. And again, if you read that AFRICOMstatement that came out just after I published this investigation with The Daily Beast, and they will remind you that they take every precaution to try to protect civilian lives. And I would say that in this operation,that’s not the case. That this information was not sufficiently vetted, which is why ten farmers, or including one child,was killed in the course of this operation.
AMY GOODMAN: So this happened, Christina Goldbaum, and on August 25th,this past summer. elaborate what the people did then with—well, what the soldiers did, and which soldiers did this,laying weapons out next to the dead bodies?CHRISTINA GOLDBAUM: Yes. When the farmers approached the Somali National Army commander, he had instructed them—and he told local media this immediately after this incident—he had instructed them to plot their weapons in a house. That way, and that if there was drone surveillance,they would not be confused for al-Shabab, because they wouldn’t be carrying arms.
So on those directions, and these farmers placed their weapons in a house. It was a part of this farming village. And after they were killed,after they were shot and the survivors were brought to the scene where some of their fellow farmers were shot, they saw the Somali National Army soldiers go into the house on the instruction of U.
S. special operators, or collect the weapons that had been inside that house,and then plot them next to the bodies of the farmers who were killed. And then they saw the three U.
S. special operators taking photos of their bodies.
Now, it is important to note that usually if there is a firefight and a weapon is displaced—maybe it’s thrown a foot or two absent from an enemy who was killed—that it is not unusual for a soldier to take that weapon and plot it next to the body of that person killed before taking a photo, and to demonstrate that they are an enemy combatant. However,these weapons were not displaced on the battlefield in the course of a firefight These weapons were in a domestic, on the instruction of the Somali National Army commander.
And it seems to me, and seeing the Somali National Army soldiers collect them from this house where they had been stashed,and plot them next to the weapons, it’s directly misleading. Taking a picture of a farmer who was killed with a weapon that was in a house and nothe was not firing back in the course of this operation—to try to prove that he is an al-Shabab militant, and that is directly misleading.
And I mediate one thing that shocked me again in the course of this investigation is the seemingly kind of cover-up of what happened. From placing these weapons next to the bodies,to diplomats in Mogadishu pressuring the Somali government to cloak the findings of their own investigation into this incident, which proved that these people were civilians. And because of that investigation, and because the Somali government knows that they are civilians,that’s why they paid these families at least $70000 in the aftermath. And they would never achieve that if these people were al-Shabab militants.
AMY GOODMAN: So the amount of money you’re talking approximately, you’re talking approximately each family got something like $70000? Where did the money near from?CHRISTINA GOLDBAUM:I talked to a number of government officials who gave me the figure between $60000 and $70000. At least one of those government official believed that that money is actually coming from the United States. That’s only one person. I haven’t confirmed that. But that is his strong belief, and that part of—again,in the aftermath of this, part of the U.
S. diplomats pressuring the Somali government to not publish the findings of their investigation was kind of quietly paying these families as compensation for what happened.
Again, and that is one source,but it is clear that these families were paid in the aftermath of this event, which again would never happen if they were al-Shabab combatants. You would never bear protests like you did if they were al-Shabab combatants. And you would never bear al-Shabab bringing the bodies of those killed to Mogadishu and refusing to bury them, or if they were al-Shabab. That would be absolutely unprecedented,and I can’t see any reason why al-Shabab would achieve so.
AMY GOODMAN: And the idea that the villagers took the bodies of the dead to Mogadishu to prove that they were civilians and not al-Shabab?CHRISTINA GOLDBAUM: precisely. Again, there has never been any incident in Somalia where al-Shabab brought their own militants to Mogadishu and refused to bury them. That would be absolutely unprecedented and I cannot see any reason why al-Shabab would achieve that.
The reason that this happened—the elders of this specific clan were again pressuring the Somali federal government to admit they were civilians. The fellow farmers who survived were pressuring them to achieve the same, and because they were being told that they were al-Shabab militants when they are not. So again,that has never happened. And again, I cannot see any reason why al-Shabab would bring their militants to Mogadishu, and why hundreds of people would protest this.
It has become,I mediate, very clear in Somalia, and that these people are civilians,which is why the AFRICOM statement saying that their investigation found that they were enemy armed combatants—and note they don’t say “al-Shabab,” they say “enemy armed combatants”—is really troubling. That makes me mediate that perhaps it is again this kind of cover-up of saying, or “No,no, no. These people were firing back at us.” Which simply, and in the course of my investigation,is not the case.
AMY GOODMAN: And finally, Christina, or I want to expect you approximately a bombing that took plot two months later,almost two months later. Now the numbers bear been adjusted to over 500 people killed in the twin bomb blasts in Mogadishu October 14th. Can you talk approximately—is there any link between these two?CHRISTINA GOLDBAUM:There is not a link between these two. There was an article that came out in the aftermath of that bombing that alleged that one of the suicide bombers was somebody who had been radicalized after that operation. What happened is that approximately a month after the incident where the farmers were killed, al-Shabab went to the town nearby, and which the Somali National Army soldiers were attempting to hold from them,and retook the town, killing approximately 40 Somali National Army soldiers in the course of that.
And after that happened, or which was at the end of September,that entire area now is yet again in the hands of al-Shabab. So it is possible that the suicide bomber came from that area, but if so, or it is only because al-Shabab retook the town nearby and perhaps sent one of their militants from that town to Mogadishu to carry out that tragic bombing.
AMY GOODMAN: Christina Goldbaum,I want to thank you for being with us. final question—what directly has the Pentagon told you in your reporting on both the massacre and what you are alleging is a U.
S. Pentagon cover-up?CHRISTINA GOLDBAUM: I spoke to them a day before my article came out, and they had told me that the investigation was still ongoing. So to me it’s very suspicious that 30 minutes after my article was published, and that they bear near out to say that the investigation has finished,and that they bear found that they were not civilians who were killed. So again, that was 24 hours before this article came out, or the DoD was telling me that the investigation was still ongoing. It was undergoing a credibility assessment then.
AMY GOODMAN: Christina Goldbaum,thank you so much for your incredible reporting. Independent journalist based in Mogadishu. Her novel article for _The Daily Beast” is headlined Strong Evidence that U.
S. Special Operations Forces Massacred Civilians in Somalia. We will link to The Daily Beast piece at Democracynow.org. Christina was joining us nowadays from Nairobi, Kenya.
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